ideal pnm and oos
by: curious
What makes a pnm a great pnm?
How important are recs and which houses care the most about them?
I'm in state so this isnt a problem for me, but what is the deal with certain houses only wanting in state girls? There are way more oos girls than in state and honestly I would have thought that the sororities wanted more variety... I just don't understand how oos pnms aren't considered as good as in state pnms to some of the house. What are the benefits to having more in state actives and pledges?
#1by: Come on
I don't know how many more times we can say this:
GET TWO RECS FOR EVERY HOUSE. Just because an alum says she's writing one for you doesn't mean it always happens.
Top PNMs: high GPA (over 3.5), involved in high school, good reputation, social, looks, style, easy to talk to, etc.
Comment#2by: active.
A top PNM among all houses is a girl who has good grades (at least a 3.5 unweighted but should be higher), strong involvement in various clubs and extracurriculars throughout high school, clean reputation, decent looking (you don't need to be a model to be a top PNM), fun (you're smart and focused yet know how to party), polished outfits, social graces (nice, polite yet warm when spoken to).
What makes a top PNM for OR:
- Strong friendships and connections with actives in the house, from a certain area in AL.
What makes a top PNM for NR:
- Very attractive, very social but not sloppy, outgoing.
As much talk about top PNMs there is on this site, the margin of those types of girls who rush is very small. Thousands of girls rush, the majority of them are pretty average girls. That being said, you know if you're a top PNM for either OR or NR houses. Most top PNMs for OR go AXO and PM and most top PNMs for NR go PBP and ZTA. But there's a huge difference between the two. OR houses, like AXO, PM, KKG, look for completely well rounded girls. NR houses like PBP and ZTA are willing to look past grades/reputation/involvement for appearances.
by: ...
Yes. I mean, every house takes some girls who aren't as well rounded in some areas as they'd like either because the PNM is very pretty, has crazy good connections, etc. But I feel that of the NR houses, ZTA and APHI are more known for turning a blind eye to poor grades, poor reputations, poor involvement, etc in exchange for a pretty, party girl. I don't want this to come off as mean either btw. ZTA and APHI are known for taking more grade risks and their houses tend to focus more on the social aspects of sorority life, so they aim for girls who were popular and fun throughout high school. Now obviously, there are definitely some girls in both houses who have 4.0s and are crazy involved. But for the most part, a lot of the other girls are very socially outgoing. PBP is kind of the same, but they take way less grade risks.
Also, I'd like to mention that ZTA and APHI both have two of the lowest GPAs on campus.
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by: Cmon
@True you over simplify.
As someone else said there are intangibles.
Do you honestly look at your senior class in high school, and say that you want to hang out with people in order of their class rank and church attendance record?
I'm not saying that's a bad thing, but got to admit I find a lot of people appealing that don't rank high on either of those lists!
ZTA get bashed a lot on here, but I think they do have a knack for selecting girls that have a compelling combination of looks,, social skills and appeal. Hard to measure perhaps but likable all the same.
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by: act
I don't think that @True was judging individual people on their grades, involvement, "church attendance," etc.
I think she was just asking that if it's true that some house tend to overlook said areas in replace of a pretty face... And it's true. Simple as that. Just like that there are some houses here that will pledge you if you have a 4.0 and a not so pretty face.
The point is, sororities shouldn't be so "shallow." I don't mean that to be rude or hateful, I just can't find a better word. Sororities should pledge girls of substance who can provide more than just cute instas...
Lots of houses here pledge girls solely based on merit. So, if you're looking for girls who are serious about their academics then that's great and you can definitely find your fit... Same with girls who are looking for others who are more focused on the social aspect.
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by: !
Again- back to the unweighted over a 3.5.!!! Back and forth it goes between the houses looking at weighted vs unweighted. Very daunting when you are either close to that 3.5 unweighted or close to 3.0 unweighted.
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by: ...
There is not a single house that ranks just on merit. Not one. Unless friends in house already is considered merit.
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#3by: Never
Never thought about it this way before, but ....
old row can go after more depth relative to grades, reputation, personality and wealth because they are focused on in-state girls and can find a lot of contacts and references to understand these things about the PNMs
New row has to focus a bit more on appearance, as it is harder to understand the "personal "details of PNMS Who come from across the country
#4by: Cd
#5by: ...
I know deans list and presidents list and girls on scholarship in zta and aphi. Lots of them. So don't get the wrong impression from this thread. The grade risks aphi and zeta take (and there are fewer of those than you may think) are people you might not expect. Girls look and act smart and have a 3.0. Girls you think are just wild beautiful party types have a 4.0. Don't buy the old stereotypes of the dumb blonde lol. Yes the house averages of aphi and zeta are closer to the all women university average than Axo and xo and theta. It does not mean you are talking about something that is even discernible to somebody though.
by: lol
Lol stop. You're obviously a ZTA or an APhi. The truth is that if you really want to know about a house's grades and want to see an idea of how many grade risks they take then look at the grade report. ZTA is always like either the second or third to last and APhi is always the last. Are there great, academically focused girls in each house? Yes, of course!!! There are lots of girls in both houses who made it onto the Dean's and President's Lists these past two semesters... But there are a lot of girls in both houses who also struggle immensely academically. The reason why people bring up house GPAs is because they tell a lot about a house. AXO has a 3.6, that's not an average you can achieve with handfuls of girls failing classes and on academic probation. The truth is, the lower the average GPA, the more girls that have "bad" grades.
Again, I want to reiterate, that yes, ZTA and APhi have incredibly smart girls. But don't get it twisted. The both still have large margins of girls who are not academically focused and struggle, thus why both houses have two of the lowest GPAs on campus.
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by: True?
I've heard that last sentence before, but is that really true? Given a not-too-bright, silly but beautiful girl, and a average beauty with intelligence, PBP and ZTA would take the former over the later? I mean, yikes.
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