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by: ConcernedSo I heard that the recent estimate for girls rushing this year is around 3000?!?!? If this is true, this is way too many. Panhellenic really needs to consider not letting girls with under a 3.0 rush or Mac out the number of girls who can sign up. It's unfair to both the PNMs and the sororities. So this year, let's say 3000 girls participate in rush and every girl gets into a house (hypothetically), every house would end up with 188-187 girls!! It's not a perfect world though, PNMs get their heartbroken if they allowed to rush with under a 3.0 because it's likely they get dropped from a majority of houses in the first few rounds. Even though almost all the sororities have or are getting a new house are expected to pledge at least 50 more than they did the previous rush. It great to have a big sorority but eventually they will get way too big and Panhellenic needs to solve this before it becomes too much to handle.
#1 by: agreed
Panhellenic needs to make a move.
-Requiring a 3.0 to rush
-Adding a new NPC sorority (AXiD/Sigma Kappa/DphiE/Tri Sig)
-Moving rush to spring semester
Pledge classes cannot function well when above 130. Even 130 causes some issues. It places a burden on the houses and retention rates fall quickly.
Commentby: ^^^Jul 6, 2016 3:31:57 PM
I was just throwing out options. AXiD and SigKap will be the most likely to come back since they were on campus before. We need another house. Alabama already has all of the other NPC sororities. Something has to change.
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by: ^Jul 6, 2016 10:26:30 PM
#2 by: My thoughts
IMO, chapters should be allowed to cut more PNMs until another new sorority can colonize.
Leave it up to the chapters to decide whether they want to keep a 3.5 or a 3.0 or a 2.9 PNM.
I was barely a 3.0 and my roommate was a 4.0 coming in as freshman. She made a 2.3 her first semester and I made a 3.2. She partied all the time. I was able to balance.
by: My thoughts Jul 6, 2016 6:27:19 PM
... And I think it's nice to let every girl experience round one.
But yes! Let the CHAPTERS limit the pledge class to something more reasonable like a Panhellenic pledge class total of 100 (120 max).
We can have a small spring opt in if more than say 20 graduate or don't make it through their pledge period.
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by: O pleaseJul 9, 2016 11:51:48 PM
by: ... Jul 10, 2016 1:56:57 PM
Lots of kids with good Hs grades totally lose it at bama. Can't handle freedom or responsibility
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#4 by: Size
I know what I'm about to say may be controversial, but I actually think that it wouldn't be so bad to keep the way rush is going the same for the next 5 years or so. Reasons?
1) OOS PNMs come in WANTING a gigantic Southern sorority experience. Really, there is no other place in the world like the Bama Greek scene. If being in one of 150 girls in a PC were unattractive, OOS would take their money somewhere else.
2) Alumnae won't allow any kind of hard GPA cutoffs because their dear daughters might be barred from rushing. And we all know these "society" moms would rather pressure Panhellenic and The Machine to do their bidding, rather than pressure their own daughters to earn good grades.
3) Rebuilds are very expensive, and from a business standpoint, chapters will want to collect dues from as many people as possible. Also, more people paying = cheaper dues overall.
4) Sorority life is a huge draw for OOS, and if Panhellenic limits the number of girls able to go through, the university will lose a lot of OOS students who pay a lot more in tuition than in-state students.
5) If Panhellenic implements these policies but 5 years later the number of girls deciding to rush drops dramatically, they'll take away those policies, but the girls who were barred from rushing (and their legacies) would get upset that they didn't get to rush in years previous.
by: ThisJul 6, 2016 10:25:18 PM
Agree. I think they wait for all the rebuilds and once the there are some vacant houses something may happen. Lower cost of entry for a good new house to slide in and build their brand.
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by: About size of chaptersJul 7, 2016 1:51:40 AM
I kind of doubt sorority dues goes down with increase
In membership. As you mentioned the rebuilds are costly. As is the monthly maintenance.
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by: ActiveJul 7, 2016 8:59:09 AM
The rest of your points are pretty good, but as to number one- "gigantic" is fun- until your chapter hits about 400, and no one feels like the have a connection in the sorority and retention rates drop. After this fall some sororities will top 450 probably and honestly that is just absurd. You can't get anything done and no one knows each other.
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by: Truth bitesJul 7, 2016 10:00:40 PM
It's only absurd because YOU think it's absurd. To these girls, 400 members is the norm. And just as in a chapter with 100 girls, you're going to find your group and you're going to not be close to many members. It's just human nature. I've worked with chapters of 50 up through 350. The dynamics are the same.
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by: Not likelyJul 7, 2016 10:52:12 AM
No it's not likely that more people will be dropped. Panhellenic loves having the high number of bids given during formal recruitment so quotas will be increased so they can advertise a large majority of girls received bids.
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by: Go GreekJul 7, 2016 9:12:48 PM
Quota is the number of PNM's with Pref invitations to at least one house divided by the number of houses on campus. It's straight math. Panhellenic does NOT "increase" or "set" quota. It's math.
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by: ActiveJul 8, 2016 9:11:20 AM
Panhellenic here certainly does set quota. They "recommend" a number of PNMs to each chapter to drop after each round which the chapters are "strongly encouraged" to adhere to. Gamma phi dropped almost twice what Panhellenic recommended last year after teas and almost got in huge trouble. It's a mind game panhel plays every year and it's got to stop
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#7 by: Truth bites
Ya'll are so clueless.
1) Panhellenic does not set any GPA requirements. They cannot, according to the NPC agreements. Note how Panhel carefully suggests that a PNM with under a 3.0 consider
2) The sororities can set their grade floors, but there are always going to be exceptions. Here's a fantastic girl - major offices, Miss Jefferson County, mission work in Uganda, HER MOM IS THE SORORITY NATIONAL PRESIDENT with a 3.2 vs a nice girl with a 3.9. You're going to drop the daughter of the national president? Nah, I don't think so.
3) Every year we have predictions of huge increases in the number of girls going through. And every year, the total is about 100 more than last year. So this year, there will probably be around 2600. Hardly 3000 PNMs.
4) Nobody talks about it, but I believe the dropout rate for UA sororities (for the eyar, not just rush) is probably around 10 to 15%. You're starting with a smaller number than you might think. And I believe (again, I don't know for sure) there's about the same dropout rate between bid day and initiation day. So those numbers are not as huge as you might think.
5) THERE WILL BE NO NEW SORORITIES ADDED UNTIL CONSTRUCTION IS OVER. Repeat that several times so you can remember it. Sigma Kappa will probably return. Alpha Xi Delta will NOT EVER return - I've been told that by several AXDs. DPhiE is not big enough. SDT will return to sorority row and begin to participate again, in a limited way, in formal recruitment.
by: Truth bitesJul 7, 2016 9:55:01 PM
6) Gravy train of free scholarships ends, and UA returns to being an majority in-state school. Numbers drop, two or three chapters fold because their numbers no longer support their gigantic houses. All goes back to normal.
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by: ActiveJul 8, 2016 9:14:58 AM
Panhellenic can set a GPA requirement but would never do it here because our admission requirements are so low. It would keep out a lot of instate girls. Google "Panhellenic recruitment GPA requirement" and you will see many schools that do have a hard set requirement to rush.
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by: HummJul 9, 2016 11:17:38 PM
by: PnmJaneJul 10, 2016 7:12:08 AM
#8 by: New normal
by: SydJul 9, 2016 7:45:01 PM
Agree on the new normal. Bama is done being majority in state. Too many big schools out of state have too much affirmative action and too hard for normal but smart kids to get in. So Bama will continue to grow oos on close to same track. The crowd that used to be dominant at Bama will soon be the Troy state gang
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by: ... Jul 10, 2016 2:00:47 PM
This is when legacy status matters. Money matters. No grade exceptions for those that are reputation or ceding risks.
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by: Ua alum Jul 12, 2016 6:40:18 PM
Almost all sororities have GPA requirements given by their national standards, but it is very very very easy to request exceptions for those PNMs you desperately wants.
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by: ^Jul 6, 2016 1:07:17 PM
Panhellenic doesn't want DPhiE -- they've presented before and got rejected. They don't have the money to recolonize at Bama anyway.
Tri Sigma is iffy. Their chapter at Mizzou struggles even though it's their largest one nationally, and their only good chapters are at schools like ECU, Elon, James Madison, and Pittsburgh. Plus it's too soon to tell how they'll do at Auburn.
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