ranking after recruitment 2015 based on new classe

Maybe based only on pc15. But is too much unbiased that the old guard will laugh it off.

It doesn't matter if people will "accept it" or not. This is the reality on the grounds so UA Greek already has. If you're talking about the anonymous trolls on GR accepting it, that's a different matter. The oldsters on here will never agree to it but who cares. It is what it is.

This system 8s just like University of Texas the ranks will never change in the top tiers but it can change in the lower tiers.

UT system. The old row here vs new row is just like University of Texas- The top six will always be the top six no matter if they have a great pledge class or not. besides the old row really did have a great rush especially KD and AXO. I think we get a lot of OOS girls from Texas and they love their Zeta and Phi Pi house but they are not going to replace the old row guard anymore than UT will change theirs even when old row does not have a great rush. There are several sororities that have not had a good rush in several years that are old row at UT and they are still going to be top 6. things really don't change due to history.

I think ADPi should be moved up to at least 8 (and personally I think they did better than DG too) and then just move everyone else down a spot. I'm NOT an ADPi, I'm actually an AXO, and I believe we should be higher as well! But I just know that a lot of girls that we were interested in this year were interested in ADPi too, and as you can see on the other list, they have definitely moved up to upper middle with Pi Phi and ZTA. I think they did an outstanding job and I'm really happy for them. Again, I'm NOT an ADPi and I love my AXO sisters and our beautiful NMs, but I just wanted to give credit where credit is due. Things have certainly changed a lot this year!

with Mirrors. I am really proud of how Zeta and Pi phi feel about their rush but there is a lot of truth to what Mirrors is saying. You had a great rush but so did old row and their is room for everyone on our greek row to find a great home. I am glad everyone did so well

applies to PC15 only, but accurate

No. I agree that this is where they belong. No one will ever agree because people like the person above are too stuck in their ways to see what's actually happening.

I have to agree that the GPhi is way high, but they are not bottom. I would say third from bottom. They had a better PC than, say, Theta-DZ. Really very much like Theta PC. DZ was pitiful.

is some better than the ones below them except maybe for aopi - you could move gphi down one by switching with aoii but they're better than the others

I'm not a DZ but I think they're pledge class is really getting overlooked. Honestly their best in a few years.. No way they're last.

Yassss

Looks like Ms. Very Informed did not make many good choices during list time.

Triple dee is a joke on old row

y'all are Chi Os threatened by tridelt

agree w 7. The situation here is pretty dynamic with the big changes in student population. The houses that usually get the benefit of the doubt and lazy class evaluations are not getting that this year. Refreshing. Just having popular clique girls from traditional feeder high schools does not mean an old row house has a top class-- even if it is the class they chose and released girls that now, after the dust settles, were actually better nms.

Definitely things are changing and bottom houses are getting the real quality girls from oos and our usual top houses are getting the sometimes less qualified instate girls that they always get. I would predict that on greek rank the ranks will stay the same because alums do the most ranking on this site and they're not even aware of reality. ha ha

And I'm going to say the same thing about perennial bottom house Gamma Phi. I was shocked when I saw some of the girls they got this year. I'm in an old row house and those girls preffed Gamma Phi over our house. I don't think that's ever happened before.

Could it be that AOPi had a great pledge class too!!!!

Gimme a fricken break on this person that keeps pushing aopi. Get over it. Lower middle and pc has some of the holiest, goody girls of the whole shooting match. They are like theta. That's it. Fine but stop with the promotion

I don't know where folks get off just stating that AGD and Kappa had "great pledge classes." Those pledge classes definately have some quality, but they also have a lot of wastes of space from the high school cliques that have the right connections, were not even truly involved in leadership or charity in HS, not academically oriented, did not play a varsity sport, did not stand out in any way -- but instead were just sort of (self-styled) "popular" for no apparent reason. So I don't think you can just make blanket statements like that.

If we always ranked pledge classes on how involved girls were in high school and then popularity was second to anything else, well shoot, AXO would always have the top pledge class and ADPi/AOPi would always be pretty high too. But that's obviously not the case, surely.

On the whole it doesn't matter how "involved" girls were in high school; the majority of girls in Greek Life will never hold a position in their chapter or be involved with more than 1 or 2 extracurricular clubs/organizations outside their sorority. Unless I'm wrong, these rankings aren't supposed to be based on how many YoungLife leaders or Varsity Lacrosse captains a chapter has, because those qualities aren't what make pledges classes "good," they're just qualifiers that help describe the girls you'll find in that pledge class. The only things that truly matter are involvement in COLLEGE, grades, and popularity (everything that makes one popular falls under that, like attractiveness, personality, fun-factor, etc...) when you're evaluating how good a pledge class is (philanthropy and sisterhood can't really be measured at this point in the year).

So @idk, I don't know why you're so sour about people ranking the AGD or Kappa pledge classes highly, (I'm in one of the top 10 fraternities and we along with other fraternities I could vouch for, love them) but the hard truth is that their pledge classes ARE great by the correct standards of judgement.

So on what basis do you conclude those kkg and agd classes are "higher" than dg or aopi? I think you probably just know more in kkg and agd. So by your definition that makes them in some way a better pledge class? Other threads on here indicate the top frays don't even socialize with the dg level sororities. So how can you compare, even after just a few weeks?

O don't think I haven't met, no no no. I'm not one of those elitist fraternity guys with only friends in the Old Row sororities or the others with really high popularity. In fact I don't even know more than, say, 15 girls in AGD or Kappa. But I do have good friends who are AOPis, DGs, DZs, Thetas, and more, and they've introduced me to many of the girls in their new pledge classes. Lived on the hall with them my freshman year, had/have classes with them, you name it. I'm not putting their pledge classes down because I don't associate with them very regularly, because I don't associate with any of the sororities we're discussing regularly. I'm just saying their pledge classes aren't as good as ones like AGD and Kappa because I've seen them, talked to them, and gotten at least general impressions of them. I don't fully expect you to believe that, but it's the honest to God truth.

For the record, before you call me biased or conniving or what have you, I like the AOPi, DZ, DG, Theta, you name it pledge classes. Nobody had a particularly bad one this year, and I think there are a lot of really underrated girls in them, especially DG and DZ. I'm just not going to sit here and be biased because I have friends in those sororities, and the simple fact is that on the whole AGD and Kappa had better pledge classes than the four I mentioned (and over a lot of other sororities too).

Agree. What is interesting to see is that the push back from old row is that "we released the girls that the new row houses got". This just shows how blind they are and don't get what is going on. The entire point is that the old row have an obvious pattern of not necessarily wanting the girls that end up being true stars at new row houses. The, instead, want and pursue pnms that are mirror images of who or what is already in the house, but with the right connections and such. So the entire point is not that the old row houses are not getting what they want or are out-recruited by new row -- it is that their habit of wanting the wrong things for their house is creating compression between the old haves and the old have-nots, such that the traditional distinctions among houses is diminishing and changing fairly dramatically.