Realistic Expectations For Rush
by: aaaafsfas
How rush really breaks down by dirty rush/where you should keep your expectations for relevant houses. Rush is always ad hoc thgh so a house will take more kids if they think they fit with the house across all tiers so keep that in mind. Just trends I have noticed, chime in with any additional info/corrections.
Top: Sig Chi / DU / Sig Phi
Pretty much accepted as the hardest houses to get into. Sig Chi and DU generally average around 20 guys while Sig Phi is smaller probably around 15 guys as its more niche. Probably have dirty rushed 80-90% of the guys they are going to take. Will take dudes but it will be hard as they probably have 13-18 guys set. Probably around 300-400 different guys will check them out during rush so most packed, gonna be hard to make an impression especially over zoom.
Upper: AD/Sig Pi
Also very difficult houses to get into in general. Dirty rush just as much as the top houses, but will lose kids who they dirty rushed to the top houses and will inevitably snap bid a few kids who either did not rush or are top upper mid rushes. Slightly larger, generally have 20-25 guys a class but still have roughly 300-400 guys checking them out during rush so still very competitive to get a bid from without dirty rush.
Upper Mid:
Chi Phi/Chi Psi/DX
This is where it is a little more feasible to get a bid without getting dirty rushed. Probably will have anywhere from 200-300 guys checking them out. Take large classes of 20-25 usually. Still dirty rush a lot, probably 50-60% of their class will be filled from dirty rush so you still need to make a strong impression to get moved forward. Will lose guys to upper houses and to each other
Lambda/TDX/ZBT
Not to sure about TDX given they are the new football house so take a lot of the football guys, but am assuming similar to Lambda if you are cool and fit in you have a shot. Take large classes as of late but also bid a lot of people. Dirty rush but maybe roughly 20-30% of their classes. ZBT does not really compete for rushes that hard here as they used to with Phi Psi (which they lost) but still takes healthy 15-20 kids a class. Will lose top rushes/dirty rushes to houses above them. Not sure about ZBT and TDX but Lambda will probably have 150-200 guys checking them out during rush.
Mid: Pike/PiKapp, rush tapers off here significantly
Largest houses in the mid tier. Probably have anywhere from 100-150 guys checking them out at any point during rush. Both target large classes and give a sizeable amount of bids at least 30+ bids. Do not neccessarily have any kids locked (besides club rugby for Pike) but generally will have 10-20% of their class from guys they know well/have them as top choice. The rest they take from rush. Will lose guys 75% of the time to houses above them.
Phi Tau/PSK
Last real line of relevancy/repuations at Cornell. Smaller, less packed rush probably around 90-130 kids maybe check them out throughout rush. Much more brotherhood focused thgh and heavy focus on fit rather than quanitity. Give out significantly fewer bids than Pike probably around 25ish and aim to get classes of around 15 which has been the norm for these two in past three spring rushes. Little to no dirty rush but probably have 10% of their class in mind before rush. Will lose kids to Pike/PiKapp more often than not but will still win bids from guys who get bids here and those two.
Commentby: BumpJan 2, 2021 10:55:22 AM
“Why is SigChi the top house?” -> because almost every single rush goes to their smokers and tries to get a bid, and very very few of them actually get to join.
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#5 by: Nbababav
Drop delta chi down and this is absolutely golden. Would recommend all frosh read this before deciding to only rush SX/DU without dirty rush. Even mid houses are somewhat selective and won’t give a bid to you just for showing up like bottom and lower houses. Rush wisely.
by: shshhsJan 2, 2021 10:46:34 AM
only facts here. Rush houses from top to mid if you can and really cast a wide net. Yeah getting into Pike/PiKapp/PSK/Phi Tau is nowhere near as difficult as getting into Sig Chi/DU (really think about it if you suicide rush this tier without dirty rushing, like 4 spots for 300 dudes who go w/o dirty rush), but you will 100% not get a bid/contact if you think you are a hot shot showing up on the last day of second contacts and talk to two or three bros will get you a bid after getting cut from Top/Upper houses.
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#6 by: what a time
Tbt to pre rush Spring 2019
- Sig Chi and Sig Phi were undisputed top houses
- DU was still lumped with AD/Sig Pi
- AD actually competed for rushes with Sig Chi
- Sig Pi was considered a great house with no real scandals
- Chi Psi/Chi Phi were basically the same as they are now, saying they are upper but in reality upper mid
- FIJI was consensus upper mid with Chi Psi and Chi Phi before tanking in their next two rushes
- Phi Psi was still around
by: 5544774jpegJan 4, 2021 2:08:52 AM
by: asfsasfsJan 2, 2021 3:17:56 PM
Yes and no. That is probably the most common rush strategy for people who want to join a socially relevant house at all costs either through an upper mid or mid house. At the same time, "vibe well" has a lot of different definitions and you cannot measure it on the rushee side. I can only speak for my house when I say we look for guys who we see as a "brother" and not a friend. There is a distinction between the two. It still pretty challenging to get into Chi Psi/Chi Phi (Lambda aint there yet) given their PCs are 20-25 out of the 200-300 who rush them. At the end of the day if you really like a house just think about it like there only needs to be one bid for you.
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by: kamsmsJan 2, 2021 3:25:38 PM
Tbh Chi Psi/Phi are still essentially reaches in rush without dirty rush. Yeah they take more kids without dirty rush but its still pretty challenging given everyone knows that and makes a go for them.
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by: ^^Jan 2, 2021 3:33:46 PM
As a brother, what do you look for in rushees, and how do you think houses will be able to determine which rushees are a good fit over Zoom? Any tips for making a good impression in virtual rush?
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by: asfsasfsJan 2, 2021 3:37:06 PM
Tbh if fall rush was any indication, I think spring rush is going to be a mess given there are 5 times as many people rushing. Just engage with the bros over zoom but let other people talk and have genuine conversations.
I guess if I were to describe the distinction between a brother and friend for me, a friend is something I think is a nice cool guy would be chill hanging out with. A brother is someone who I will call at 1AM to take an impromptu trip to Niagara Falls and I think he would be with it and we would have a blast. Its a very intangible feeling but it all comes down to how much the house fits you. ^why a lot of guys get cut from top/upper -- they simply don't fit
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by: asfsasfsJan 2, 2021 3:41:00 PM
also think that this just means annex events might have more rushes there simply cause its impossible to gauge people fully over zoom and will be very important.
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by: ^^Jan 2, 2021 3:51:39 PM
by: asfasfJan 2, 2021 7:29:42 PM
Its gonna be hella lowkey they won't broadcast it over zoom, will probably just tell kids they think are cool to come through, dwai rn just focus on standing out and forming connections especially if you are rushing any houses mid or above where zoom is gonna be cluttered with pnms
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by: LolJan 1, 2021 5:29:25 PM
Fun fact: 90% of rushes that want to join SigChi but didn’t dirty rush there will end up in mid tier.
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