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thoughts on how this site hurts the greek community

by: Ids

Largest class at IU. 200 less girls rushing. How do you think this site affects their choices. How long can greek life sustain if numbers of girls wanting to rush declines?

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#1  by: Agree   
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Every year, girls drop bc they don't get "top" houses for prefer.Some chapters end up taking a super small pledge class bc of tiers crap and other bs like on this site. When the so called "bottom" tiers leave campus bc they can't sustain membership it just means another chapter moves into the bottom spot. Running chapters down helps no one and hurts everyone. We need to be more inclusive, more accepting, less superficial and realize we are way more alike than not. Let's build chapters up. There is room for every chapter and we need every chapter. Over 2000 girls went through recruitment. How many dropped? How stupid is it that girls dropped rather than be in a "bottom" house. Watch out mid tier. When ASA and DPhiE get run off, one of you will be next.

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by: TRUEJan 20, 2020 3:09:07 PM

this is exactly what happened to Theta at Ole Miss. the difference there is Indiana has 22 chapters currently, and of the 4 remaining, how many wouldn’t immediately get pegged as “lame”? Only one. Combined with the current environment of greek life at Indiana, those chapters (excluding Tri Delt) likely wouldn’t want to waste their time colonizing here. so It’s not like you can just colonize a different one and PNMs will suddenly change their minds about joining a new chapter. Where does that leave us? A different chapter will have to become the new “bottom,” until they burn out and leave, and someone takes their place.

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#2  by: Bluto   
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Oh this is stupid. Anyone who makes decisions based on this site ain't too bright and probably shouldn't be in Greek life anyway.

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by: hmmmmJan 19, 2020 10:49:47 PM

I kind of agree with you ^

If you aren't secure enough with yourself to choose the chapter you like best regardless of where it falls on the social spectrum, then maybe you aren't cut out for Greek life. If you need Greek life to have a social life, ask yourself why?

I went into recruitment with some favorites, mostly because I knew girls in the chapters, but I did go in with an open mind. I was more comfortable in the so-called middle and bottom chapters because I felt like they valued the same things I did.

I wasn't looking for a sorority to make my social life, I had one before I joined. There were lots of times my chapter was having a pair with one fraternity, but I chose to go to a different one to see friends or a certain band. My sisters understood and it was no big deal. I was never forced to go to a party to up our social game.

I joined a sorority because I wanted to make more girl friends. Most of my friends from high school were guys and I needed to learn how to better navigate female friendships.

I am happy with my choice and my sincere hope is that everyone is happy with theirs on Tuesday night.

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#3  by: Hopefully    
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The only way to change the negative impact this site has would be to randomly assign pairs for Hoco and Little 5, then a few pairs a year. If IFC and Panhel took control and forced chapters to mix across the tiers, people would realize that we are all more alike than different. Until that happens, Pnms will continue to drop rather than give certain chapters a chance for fear of being labeled “less than”.

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by: My Opinion Jan 20, 2020 7:37:24 AM

Yeah but if to make them have a pair there is no guarantee that anyone would show up.

Honestly, the best way to minimize this site would be if a bunch of parents started posting all the time. Facebook used to be more for kids, then the parents showed up and the kids left to Insta. Then the parents went there and the kinds went to SnapChat and so on.

If parents flooded this site it would loose its appeal quickly. Of course they would go somewhere else but at least this toxic dumping ground would be diminished.

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by: Not happening Jan 20, 2020 7:37:56 AM

The reason they won’t do that is greek life is desperate to stay here. Less people pledge and more people drop before and after rush. Greek drops every year and since only 16-17% Greek at IU they have to back off to keep what they have

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by: PintoJan 20, 2020 9:25:30 AM

You can't force people to socialize with each other. They already make PNM go to every chapter. Even with that captive audience, some chapters can't close the deal and thus struggle to make their numbers.

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by: WellJan 20, 2020 11:51:54 AM

^^^Actually yes you can. It’s called life.

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by: PintoJan 20, 2020 12:33:28 PM

Sorry looser. "Life" doesn't require me to socialize with anyone I don't choose to. I only hang with top tier people.

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#4  by: Lemmings    
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We don’t go for random pairs like other schools because our entire system works hard to encourage everyone to believe the top 3 S and top 3 F are the BEST!!!!!! Instead of taking the route of other big greek schools and making sure even the bottom house is more desirable than not being greek at all, (Also there are more PNMs every year than the spots our chapters would like to fill, why the F are people tearing down the bottom 4 chapters??!? People act like all 22 chapters are fighting for same 100 PNMs)

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by: !!!Jan 20, 2020 12:48:52 PM

idk how IU or Greek system can make lower tier houses seem more appealing to PNMs? it is subjective imo. how do u make pledge think house is desirable if she doesn’t feel connection or vibe with girls in it, hard to force this.....

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#5  by: comments    
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I don’t think GR is the primary issue. There is always going to be girls who drop because the house offered is not what they want and they cannot see spending their time with the ladies in it.This has been going on long time and it’s not exclusive to IU. No easy answers.

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by: comments Jan 20, 2020 8:56:33 AM

valid point but u can also hear girls talking smack about house and say similar, impossible to censure others opinions about lower houses online or in person

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#6  by: Hmm   
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Tiers have always been an issue. Even in my mom's day (pre Greek Rank). It really does boil down to who pairs with who. If you go to randomize pairs, eventually, that will be all anyone knows when they go through recruitment. Randomizing will act as an equalizer. If worried about people not attending- make it mandatory or no other pairs for the weekend/event. Change isn't going to happen without some push. "Top tiers" may not like it, but they may also find nicer guys/girls in lower frats and vice versa. Why not give it a chance?

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by: BlutoJan 20, 2020 1:35:39 PM

Well that begs the question. Why would a so called "lower tier" sorority want to pair with the stuck up a-hole dudes in a so called "upper tier" frat? Eventually, you all will figure out it's less about "tiers" and more about the vibe each house has.

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by: ExactlyJan 20, 2020 2:08:46 PM

We have no idea what vibes other houses have. I know the vibes of certain people in houses but not as a whole. For all you know Fiji could like phi mu or asa might like Sig chi. But I guess we’ll never know because everyone is too worried about their “status” instead of people

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by: trueJan 20, 2020 3:44:03 PM

^ This is so true. I have friends in lots of different chapters. We used to go to each other's pairs when before we were 21. We always had more fun at the "lower" frats than the top ones. Sigma Chi & Beta were boring. We had a much better time at middle frats like Sigma Pi, Beta Sig and Phi Delts.

We go to the bars together now and sometimes we make guys try to guess what chapters we are in. There are 4 of us: a so-called top group, two middle groups, and one supposedly in the bottom.

Now here's the kicker:
Top tier girl always gets guessed as one of the middle the majority of the time, the bottom chapter occasionally. NEVER gets guessed as her chapter.
Bottom girl gets guessed as the top or one of the middles EVERY SINGLE TIME.
Middle girls are hit and miss.

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#7  by: ??   
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the thing is, people should just care less about what boys think. why does it matter if your chapter pairs with X or Z, boys are stupid anyways and you’re joining a sorority for a sisterhood.

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by: RightJan 20, 2020 5:29:11 PM

You're right - you join a chapter for sisterhood, however, many PNMs are 18 yo Freshman with no clue. They see ish on this site, they hear stuff on their dorm floors and from guys going through rush in the fall. Many lack the maturity to make a choice like which chapter to join based on the "right" things and instead focus on the "rep" of houses, the way a house looks and what they've seen on Instagram. Unfortunately, the recruitment process is also a whirlwind and they don't really get to know many girls in a chapter or much about the chapter, but they have to make a choice. Maybe we need to move to a different recruitment model.

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#8  by: Bump   
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High key wish it was deleted

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