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please please be honest

by: PNM   

I want to know what the deal is with KD, Tri Delt and Alpha Gam. My best friend went through rush last year and did not like KD or AGD. I heard MANY stories of girls finding KD disinterested and AGD fake. I wonder about Tri Delt because they don't do much.

Now my friends in KD, AGD, Phi Mu, and Kappa say there are major cliques--mainly based on social lives and high school connections. Please elaborate. I don't want to be in a cliquey sorority...but I do want to be in a good one.

If you are in any old row sorority will you tell me the truth about how it is? If you are in any new row, will you do the same and for both...name your sorority and be honest. Please.

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#1by: ok   
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I am not naming my chapter but yes, it is cliquey and one of the 4 you named in your list. I still like it but don't like the way we rush and only look at certain people from certain schools. it's very who you know and I wish I could meet more new people. so there it is.

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by: Me   

Same girl! I’m in an Old Row house you didn’t name, but we also focus heavily on girls from
specific cities. We also have tons of girls from all over, so there are really 4 distinct cliques in my pledge class. I’m not in the Bham, Montgomery or Mobile cliques, so I am part of the other clique and I love the girls. I just don’t care for the others.

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#2by: .   
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Redefine what you consider a "good" sorority. Should you really consider chapters that are notoriously cliquey and excluding to be "good" because someone on a website told you they are? Should you really think a chapter is a "not good" sorority because they don't have the same "status" as others even though they have better grades, sisterhood, etc.? Think hard about it before you rush.

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#3by: Well   
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KD, AGD, and DDD were/are First Circle, which is like the most Old Row-y of Old Row (Old row is a fairly new things for sororities anyways). They had "always" had history of being the oldest and most prestigious, with KD being more social, AGD more Christian and academic "good girl" and DDD being the mix between the two. But starting in the 2000s, with more OOS coming to Alabama, other sororities like Kappa, PM, AXO, started looking more at OOS girls and started to climb. Before, when you had only 40 girls per PC, you could fill them with exclusively in-state debutantes. Now, houses like KD, Kappa, AGD, XO, and DDD still get a core group of debs, but have to fill in 100+ spots. Kappa, XO, and DDD started jumping on Southern OOS debs whereas KD and AGD just kinda filled their class with middle class in-state girls who would love the First Circle name brand. Kappa/XO/DDD are strong in OOS Southern states so those girls didn't care to be associated with KD/AGD as much. Then Kappa and PM started concentrating on Northern/Western OOS rich girls.

The cliques in AGD, DDD and KD are mainly based on wealth, with some of it being in-state vs. OOS. I've heard of middle class Alabama girls complaining about being ignored. PM bids girls who are super competitive and high-strung, so that can cause friction. Kappa isn't any cliquier than other sororities I feel. Lots of friend groups based on geography, but there isn't hate or big drama.

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#4by: active.   
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AXO, AGD, DDD, KD, KKG, PM, XO are all Old Row. A lot of girls pledge these houses just so they can gain that status, even though the prestige of being Old Row has long faded. That being said, these houses are great for girls to pledge if they want to be with their high school friend group, being that all these houses recruit girls primarily from Alabama and surrounding Southern states. As stated above, this creates friction within pledge classes. Most girls from one area who pledge a house together don't want to expand their friend group so they shut everyone else out, causing cliques. The instate girls look down at the out of state girls and don't put in the effort to bond with their sisters. This is seen in especially KKG, KD, AGD, and XO, the houses that still recruit instate and Southern girls extremely heavily. AXO, DDD, and PM have these cliques but they're not as extreme.
I think it's also important to note that a lot of girls who do pledge Old Row houses don't do so for the sisterhood but rather the social perks. Obviously not every girl is like that, but a lot are. The "Old Row" type of girl is most of the time expected to rush by their parents/grandparents and thus want a "good name." Rush for them isn't about where they feel comfortable, but rather where they have the most friends pledging and which house can give them the best social perks.

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by: active.   

Also note, New Row houses are just as good as Old Row. You said you wanted to be in a "good" house but it seems you're really focused on Old Row. I want to be very blunt - the "prestige" of being Old Row is gone and has been for quite a few years. Being Old Row honestly gets you nothing besides one monster swap a year, that's it. And a lot of these Old Row houses aren't as qualified as a handful of New Row houses are. For decades, these Old Row sororities lived and thrived off the fact that they were Old Row, and rarely went above and beyond because they didn't need to since they still got top recruits just from their status... But now with such a heavy presence of OOS girls, houses that are exclusive only hurts them. A lot of Old Row houses, such as KD, KKG, DDD, and AGD fall short compared to how good New Row houses grades are as well as how much their girls are involved and how philanthropic they are.
I'm not trying to hate on Old Row, I just want you to realize that a label isn't everything. A handful of New Row houses work just as hard, if not harder, than most Old Row houses. Also a lot of New Row houses have stronger sisterhoods because the girls actually want to know each other and aren't held back by extreme cliques. Go into rush with an open mind, pledge where you feel the best, and remember not everything that glitters is gold.

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by: u   

This is a good thread. Think about it. In-state girls that join a sorority at Alabama already know tons of people. They don't need the sorority to meet people. So they don't engage in sorority life with a goal to meet new people. The sorority is an affirmation of their "status" and it creates social outlets. The houses don't much care if a girl was a "mean girl" in high school, so long as they have the looks and connections. Makes for bad in-house chemistry and cliques. Nothing but truth.

There are exceptions. Many in-state girls are awesome and want to blend in and make tons of new friends. The in-state "popular" crowd, though, is not much on that front.

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#5by: i am old row   
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and I most definitely do not want an SAE on my arm or anywhere else.

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#6by: @um   
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As for number 2, I can count on one hand the amount of girls I've seen at SAE date parties that weren't in an old row sorority. Most girls who go to those date parties are KDs and kappas. And I have some friends in "lower tier" sororities that have been talking to boys, told them what sorority they're in, and had the boys literally stop talking to them mid conversation because of their sorority. It's shallow and unfair, but don't act like it doesn't happen. Boys will hook up with anyone, of course they don't care what sorority. But for date parties, girlfriends, etc unfortunately a lot do care. Just how it is

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#7by: ....   
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Old row sororities are cliquey. They hang out with girls who are from their state only. Kappa especially

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by: OR   

Not true. I’m in an OR house that primarily takes southern girls, but the cliques are way more broad than just what state your from. We have the partiers clique, the obsessed with all thing fashion/trend clique, the funny clique, etc. it makes not about geography as it is personality.

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#8by: .   
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My sorority isn't cliquey at all. Of course people establish groups, but are always nice when they see their sisters on campus, at the house, at a bar, etc.
Old Row is not better than New Row in any shape or form. There are good Old Row houses and good New Row houses.
Keep an open mind when you are rushing. Even if you are from the south and think you are expected to go Old Row, there are plenty of amazing southern girls in New Row houses as well.

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#9by: junior   
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Can honestly say I don't think I've ever seen an sae around campus wearing letters and the one party I went to was lame, don't know why people care about them

By: junior
#10by: ok   
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I'm tired of people saying that old row houses have bad sisterhoods compared to new row. everyone seems to think we're overly cliquey, especially in state vs OOs. first of all, if you claim that your house doesn't have cliques, you are lying. with pledge classes so big, of course groups are going to form. no one sneers at you from across the dining room, no one ignores you when you see them around campus. they're literally just friend groups. so what if a group of MB girls still want to hang out together?? why is that any worse than a group of girls from different states that want to hang out together. I'm OOS and from a house that is considered heavily instate, but we still have TONS of OOS girls. none of the instate girls are rude or snobby. every instate girl has found OOS friends, but there's nothing wrong with them still staying close with their old friends. maybe my house is different from other old row houses, but most of the posts that claim that the instate girls ruin our sisterhoods, are extremely inaccurate. there are some old row houses with amazing sisterhoods and some with bad ones, just like there are some new row houses with amazing sisterhoods and some with bad ones.

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by: @ok   

Nothing wrong with wanting to be friends with girls from hs but that doesn't mean you get to be rude to OOS girls and that's what lots of them do in my sorority.

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by: ...   

@ok what house are you in? Because I know for a fact a certain Old Row house has such intense cliques that instate girls form groups from wherever they're from, whether it be Mobile, Vestavia Hills, Montgomery, etc, and they're very snippy towards each other and most of them refuse to talk to out of state girls... And before you claim I'm lying, my friend from that exact house told me that's how it legitimately is.

I'm not here saying New Row is better than Old Row or vice versa and I'm not saying there aren't cliques in all the houses, because truthfully, there are. But I've noticed that the cliques are very different between the two, cliques in a lot of Old Row houses are exclusive and snobby, cliques in New Row houses are inclusive and welcoming... Now obviously this isn't the word of God, and there are both types of cliques in every house, but the "mean" cliques are more so seen in Old Row and the "nice" cliques are more so seen in New Row. Instate girls who pledge Old Row houses do so because they were a legacy and/or that's where they had the most friends pledging. For the most part these girls don't want to expand their social circle, whereas New Row houses have girls coming from all across the country and make friends with everyone which is why they the cliques tend to be more friendly and welcoming. You're lying to yourself if you don't think this is the reality of Old Row/New Row, sorry.

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