Hardest Working/ Most Rigorous Schools Ranks
by: usnews
T1:
Caltech/UChicago
Princeton/MIT
Columbia
Penn
T2:
Carnegie Mellon
Stanford
Yale
Johns Hopkins
T3:
Harvard
Cornell
Northwestern
Brown
Duke
Dartmouth
#1by: Mehhh
T1 mostly looks good. Drop Penn (other than Wharton, kids I know there are lazier than Cornell kids tbh) and Drop Columbia (they’re famous for journalism & liberal arts).
T2 and T3 are arguable (other than CMU being T2, and Harvard being T3). I’d probably argue Cornell is T2 due to the large engineering/Stem programs here that have harsh grade deflation.
Commentby: hmm
idk man Penn produces a lot of entrepreneurs like the Venmo guys or Elon, and while I agree Wharton kids work hard, the Penn stem majors I know are intense af... regarding Columbia, I'd keep em there too because of the intense core curriculum... if we didnt have Hotel and ILR and Agri stuff, yeah we might be T2 but there's just a different level of intensity in T1
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by: sure
by: bruhh
^ you guys realize Elon was also a Wharton grad? Penn engineering is also arguably below Cornell engineering (in terms of rigorousness at least). And the "core curriculum" at Columbia is largely liberal-arts and considered a waste-of-time by everyone I know there.
Penn & Columbia are both hard schools, but they aren't nearly as rigorous as the other T1 schools like CalTech or Princeton. Penn & Columbia can be top of T2, and Cornell should be bottom of T2 (could be top of T2 it weren't for Hotel/ILR/AEM).
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#2by: ya
#3by: lol
the fact that Columbia straight-up lost a bid to Cornell for Roosevelt Island shows you that Columbia's Stem program is in disarray. Columbia is the top school in the country for literature/english/political-science, but they're not even the top stem-school in nyc (Cornell Tech).
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by: yup
Know people from my highschool at a bunch of these schools- Cornell should be right below below Stanford and CMU (we could arguably be T1 if it weren't for ILR/Hotel/AEM).
Johns Hopkins should be way lower (like bottom of T3). Despite their rank on usnews, most other sources have them way lower- and they're only a semi-target (like Vandy or Boston college) for recruiting at most big firms.
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