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by: sad   

I am so disappointed about the recruitment process at IU. There is such a low placement rate, and it’s sad to see all my friends not happy. I don’t understand why the pledge classes aren’t larger? I personally think they should make sophomore live in required but junior live in based on a point system. It’s unfair to all of the girls that signed up for rush and paid tons of money on fees, outfits, accessories, etc. Many ended up dropping in the end. This “numbers game” is complete bs. There needs to be a change in IU recruitment! It makes me think they only do this for the $80 or whatever you pay, only to get dropped in the end. So very sad.

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#1by: Tbh   
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I have always thought this, but for some reason IU wants to keep their Greek Life “exclusive” and difficult to get into. Alabama is also known for being extremely competitive- but for certain houses- whereas at Indiana it’s competitive period. At Alabama majority of the girls that rush get INTO a house because they take 100+ pledge classes, where here that is not the case. Girls end up with nothing when they rush here, and it’s sad.

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by: But...   

What are Alabama's retention rates like compared to IU's? It sounds good to say that there are these huge quotas that everyone hits and all the PNMs get a bid, but how many of those girls are still active by their senior year? It's like putting everything into the wedding and forgetting about the marriage.

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Quota would be higher if dumbazzes didn't drop out. Quota is based on the number of PNMs left at preference. Go away, mom.

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by: UA Active   

I go to Alabama— besides the fact that we use normal RFM and quota and guarantee a bid if you make it to pref, I think the big difference is PNM mindset. Girls are so desperate to be greek here that most of them will take a bid from almost any house. It sounds like that’s not the case here. Now we don’t have any unhoused chapters so I can’t speak to that particular challenge.

There are issues either way— it’s super hard to manage a 450 member chapter, but it also really sucks to have so many girls go bidless.

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#2by: :)   
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This is a sweet post, truly. But you're missing the bigger picture. Many of these girls who go unplaced drop out voluntarily. Making the pledge classes larger won't help, it's a numbers game. The pledge class numbers are based on how many girls stay in the process. If only 800 women go to pref today, then pledge classes will be between 34-36. If 1000 women go to pref, then pledge classes go up to 44-45 range.

I don't feel sorry for girls who drop out voluntarily. I do feel badly for girls who go to pref and then do not get a bid, that is sad and wrong.

I also feel badly for the girls who can't have an open mind. I would encourage every PNM who is unsure to go to pref. Talk to the other PNMs out there. Those are the women who will have the largest impact on their Greek experience. You will spend far more time with your pledge class than the juniors or seniors. If you like the girls standing outside with you right now, that's huge. They will be your support system. It really does take just one strong pledge class to turn a house around. And I don't mean this in a snobby way. If you think a house doesn't focus enough on philanthropy, join that committee and make it stronger. If you think a house doesn't exhibit strong sisterhood, then be the sisterhood chair and plan fun events to bring people together. Greek life is very much like real life in that you get back what you put into it~

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by: Blizzard   

You said "I do feel badly for girls who go to pref and then do not get a bid, that is sad and wrong."

That doesn't happen any more as long as a PNM lists all pref parties she attends on her bid card.

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It could happen. There are no guarantees this is true since not all chapters are accepting quota additions. If a PNM has the misfortune to attend two chapters who are not taking QAs, then it is a remote possibility. IU Panhel made no guarantees, they just said it is highly unlikely.

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#3by: Reality   
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While the process does need to change some you have to understand the reason why recruitment is the way it is. With so many people rushing and the houses only allowing a certain number of girls to live they have to make major cuts. Recruitment is a gamble and you knew the risk when you signed up. PNMs need to realize they don’t get to choose the houses. You hope for the best and take what your matched with. The system works in weird ways but it works. Be thankful for the chapters you gott back. Each chapter is amazing in a different way but all offer chances to be involved in a great sisterhood.

By: Reality
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I think you're missing the point. Yes, PNMs knew that this is how Indiana recruitment works when they signed up, and yes the majority of people who rush and don't get into houses are because they dropped out, not because they were cut entirely, but the whole "only allowing a certain number of girls" thing each chapter does is not how the rest of the world does sorority recruitment. That's why Alabama's PCs are so large - if they could just decide to have a PC of 50 girls every year, they definitely would. Between that predetermination and the intense tier system at IU, it's easy to understand why many PNMs feel this heartbroken over their placement or experience. Obviously every PNM should be thankful for whatever chapter they got back, but we should also be sympathetic to the fact that IU does recruitment in a deliberately cutthroat way and makes it unnecessarily difficult on PNMs.

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What you wrote is true for past years, this year IU is not setting quota until today. They are seeing how many women stay in the process. It's not exactly like the rest of the world, but it's getting there. The more women drop, the smaller quota gets. Also, at Bama over 2000 women start the process, this year around 1600 started at IU. All chapters are housed at Bama, there isn't an obvious have, have not situation. Also, fraternities pair with a wider range of sororities at Bama than IU fraternities do. I have a friend from high school who is in a bottom tier chapter there and they are not made fun of at all, they have a great social calendar, and girls do not drop rather than take a bid. Only a small percentage of girls at Bama live in their sorority houses, so the house itself is not a big deal. Comparing us to Bama is like comparing apples and oranges.

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#4by: Yikes   
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A lot of girls don't go through the process here bc only half of people who sign up get bids. That's a huge waste of time and money. At the same time if pnms didn't drop for getting only bottom houses then this wouldn't be as much of an issue as it is. All pnms who dropped should consider informal anywhere that is doing it which is likely to only be the bottom houses. One pledge class can make a real difference so going with your friends to any house for your last chance to be Greek is a good option

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#5by: jaded   
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Comparing IU and Bama would not be like comparing apples and oranges if IU would drop its assumed exclusivity and adhere to the NPC rules with RMF.

By: jaded
by: @jaded   

IU does use RFM. I can assure you. What they don't do is set campus total meaning IU allows chapters to be whatever size they choose is best for them. The reason they do this is because IU just couldn't drop bed rush and knew it needed more spots, so four chapters have been allowed to colonize. Now that times are changing (slowly) at IU, the assignment of quota will be very much in line with NPC rules and will have the computer run several scenarios in order to match the highest number of women possible.

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#6by: jaded   
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Of course, they could "just drop bed rush". Who's stopping them?

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by: @jaded   

They chapters themselves vote. They are the ones stopping the progress. NPC just needs to come in and say enough. NPC needs to tell IU to set campus total at whatever average chapter size will be after graduation, then chapters under total will need to do informal in the fall to get to total. Then everything will be standard.

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#7by: jaded   
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It has to be NPC, the chapters, and the school all together stopping this crap! Our alum chapter was told that it's a combination of the actives and the alums wanting to keep the process at a bed rush level!

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#8by: Nope   
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NPC can advise but they can't dictate - the chapters have to be the ones making the decision. NPC cannot tell a chapter that they have to have a certain total - it interferes with the chapters right to membership selection. As long as there are alumni withholding $$ if the active chapter doesn't stay small and selective, nothing will change.

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#9by: Hoosiergal   
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Not every chapter took quota last year. The problem lies in pnms thinking that they are too good for certain chapters. They don't want an increase in quota. They want an increase in spots in the "top tier" chapters. If pnms would open their hearts and minds to ALL chapters, there would be a spot for everyone and less disappointment. It is easy to say the problem lies in the system (Panhel, IU, etc) but it really lies with the pnms. If more women would stay the course, pcs would be larger. And, all chapters at IU would be strengthened.

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#10by: rt   
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A lot of girls fall through the cracks. Just bc they didn't get a bid doesn't mean anything is wrong with them, the system just kinda sucks. I'm sorry if this happened to you but you can always try again next year.

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